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Re: annual Songkran complaints

No problem with two tier pricing

On the wrong track

Consumer fraud is no joke

Don’t shout it from the rooftops

Songkran Behaviour

Nang Nual joke wearing thin

Re: annual Songkran complaints


Mr. Nigelm in his letter spent several minutes telling us of how the farang have ruined Songkran with blasting water jets. Sorry mate, but as a farang who lives here, I can tell you that many of us also hate this “extended Songkran”.

You made a point of saying that only farangs used the big water squirters against you. Shame sir, 90% of Thai’s use these nefarious weapons. Consider yourself lucky you weren’t on a motorbike where you are fair game to any Thai with a bucket of (generally) iced water.

May I also suggest that Mr Nigelm goes to any shop and sees who is selling these “lethal weapons” and who is buying them. I think it is quite possible that after he does this, he will have less “farang” remarks in his letters.



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No problem with two tier pricing

Dear Sir

Unlike Trish Wilson of Australia (letter May 11th) I am a long time reader of the Pattaya Mail both online and during my frequent visits to Pattaya. But like her I am constantly amused (and annoyed) by the two tier pricing arguments that have ranged from entry fees to local attractions to the old favourite ‘how much is a baht bus fare’.

I never ceased to be amazed at the seemingly mean attitude taken by the complainers, 99% of whom are non-Thai nationals.

As Trish Wilson states in her erudite letter, two tier pricing exists throughout the world in one form or another. Many countries issue admission passes/subsidised transport fares and free medical treatment to their citizens and rightly so.

I only wish that all those whinging about the extra costs to visitors would just stop a few seconds and convert the money they are actually being charged back into their own currency for a moment, they would then realise just how good a value they are receiving in Thailand.

For a simple example the baht bus fare from South Pattaya Road to Big C is 10 baht for a non-Thai. The same fare here in London would be at least ฃ3.50 (baht 210) and a lot more if the traffic is slow. Even by public transport bus the fare would be 150 baht.

I have heard the argument put forward that some farangs working or living in retirement in Thailand cannot afford the extra 5 baht they are charged over the 5 baht fare the Thais pay. However, I never fail to see those same complainers propping up a local bar or being unable to tip their bargirl.

A plea to all visitors, please just work out the wonderful value you receive for your money in Thailand, compare the friendly service you receive from the Thais with the often moronic and couldn’t care less attitude you receive from so called ‘more economically developed countries’ then stop and give thanks to your God that you are privileged to be able to visit such a beautiful country, with wonderful people, superb weather and you will then count your blessings.

Adam Mason

Greenwich, London, England

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On the wrong track


I would like to take issue with the Australian contributor Trish Wilson (Mailbag, Pattaya Mail, Vol IX, no. 19) regarding her comments in respect of Thailand’s two-tiered pricing policy.

She writes that it is only fair as, ‘The Thai locals contribute in their taxes no doubt to their own national parks and therefore should have a reduction in price when going there. In our town we are issued a pass to get into our parks free, although a certain amount that we pay in our local rates...goes toward these passes. Then all tourists without these passes are charged to enter.’

Not just tourists but locals as well. Ratepayers in an Australian local area can obtain a pass that allows them to enter national parks for free as well as park their cars at the local beaches without paying. However, if you happen to be resident of an area, but are merely renting, then you cannot obtain such a pass.

I grew up on Sydney’s northern beaches and never owned any property in the area. Therefore, despite the fact that I had lived and worked in the area for most of my life and paid my Federal taxes, I could not, for example, park my car in the council car park without paying. Even if I produced my driver’s licence, clearly indicating a local address, I still had to pay. The Federal government apportions monetary grants to the State governments, which then hand out money to local councils. I paid my taxes, ergo, I was also paying for the upkeep of my local area by the local council, yet I was still discriminated against.

In England, museums in London exercise a much fairer two-tiered pricing policy. Everyone pays the same for entry, be they black, white or of indeterminate cultural heritage. The only exceptions are old-age pensioners, students and the unemployed, no matter whether they are male, female, white or black.

This, to my mind, is a far more justifiable system. It is not based on ethnicity but on affordability. After all, where is the justice in charging a foreigner - who may have scrimped and saved for a three week holiday - two or three times the price of entry to a tourist destination and then have that person witness a Thai national drive up in a brand new Mercedes-Benz and cough up the miniscule Thai price.

Thailand is now far more reliant upon, and geared up for, tourism. Making tourists feel second-class by imposing a form of pricing apartheid may eventually lead to a drop in tourism revenue, thereby disadvantaging the very people it is designed to help.

That some other countries impose similar two-tiered pricing policies does not make Thailand correct in doing the same. Surely the country would derive greater benefit and international kudos if it ditched this form of discrimination in favour of a more enlightened pricing policy based on affordability rather than ethnicity.


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Consumer fraud is no joke

Dear Editor,

Two months ago Dr. Nightingale wrote in response to my letter on vegetarianism that laws should require that vegetarian food be properly labeled. How timely! Just recently three Americans filed a lawsuit against McDonald’s for putting beef fat in their ‘vegetarian’ french-fries. Another American filed a lawsuit against Wendy’s for mixing gelatin - which comes from animal bones and tissue, in a vegetarian dish. In Hawaii, I know of a least one Thai Restaurant which saturates the ‘vegetarian’ dishes with fish sauce, while a Chinese restaurant cooks ‘vegetarian’ food in chicken stock.

Once after ordering spaghetti and tomato sauce in Pattaya the restaurant added meat sauce. When I complained, they took the plate into the kitchen and hid the meat sauce under the spaghetti thinking I’d be too stupid to figure it out.

Meat eaters think this is a joke but it’s not funny to people who believe its an atrocity to eat murdered animals. It’s not funny to vegetarian Hindus and vegetarian Buddhists when restaurants make a mockery of their religious beliefs. It’s not funny to someone who is recovering from a massive heart attack and knows that consuming cholesterol may kill him.

Consumer fraud is no joke, especially when it violates other people’s religious and/or moral beliefs and puts our health in extreme danger. What kind of human being would think that’s funny?


Eric Bahrt

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Don’t shout it from the rooftops

Dear Editor,

Mailbag is still attracting comment regarding the gay festival I see. Tony C’s letter in 4th May issue summed up both sides of the debate very well. Whatever anyone’s view and however much the fund-raising events produce, what cannot be disputed is that in proposing a public parade the festival organisers have created a considerable groundswell of resentment.

Some writers have suggested that anyone who doesn’t like the idea need not attend, but let’s have it right. We are talking about a non-mainstream sexually oriented promotion along Beach Rd are we not? How would the gay community like it if those persons who find homosexuality revolting, an abomination and affront to human decency were to hold an anti-homo rally in Soi Pattayaland 3? Should gays say then stay out of their ‘zone’?

Actually the sanest and most sensible comment on the subject was written by Pattaya’s favourite Agony Aunt Hillary and even before the issue was raised. A gay writer had asked for advice and the gist of which becomes clear in Hillary’s reply as follows...

“Some of Hillary’s best friends are gays. This is the most tolerant city gender wise... Nobody gives a fig leaf... Generally farangs are revolted to see adult farang gays in the company of very young Thai boys. If you want to be accepted in mixed company then try to behave conservatively and not flaunt your sexual bias; after all most straight folks don’t go round shouting their hetero-ness from the rooftops. If you can’t manage this then yes do restrict yourself to Soi Pattayland 3.”

Says it all I think or is someone going to call ‘Hillary’ homophobic?


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Songkran Behaviour


I agree with Nigelm. This was the worst year I have experienced in Pattaya. I saw three nearly fatal accidents caused by farangs squirting everyone on the road, girls on motorbikes and people getting off baht buses. One Thai man, blinded by water, ran his motorbike into a taxi and scores of people looking angry and upset.

It’s not good enough to say you know what to expect. We expect reasonable consideration for people in traffic; we expect reasonable consideration for babies and old people. I was horrified to see one Thai lady and her baby in arms terrorised by two farangs with water jets.

We did not spend much this year; we avoided bars for over a week and put off shopping until Bangkok. We shall not visit Pattaya again in April. We will leave it to the yobs.

Peter and Nittaya


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Nang Nual joke wearing thin


Nang Nual dining area over bay to be destroyed. What, again? Come on guys, I thought it was pretty funny the first time you printed this nonsense a few months back but I’m afraid if you keep it up I’ll find it hard to take the remaining content of your fine Weekly seriously. Having said that, it’s good to see your newspaper lighten up a bit with the occasional flimflam such as this.

As for the Nang Nual, I’ve got my table booked for July 3rd overlooking the bay.

See you there!

Scott Benson


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