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The rogue “r”

Re: Baht bus bum rap

Agreeing with T. Crossley

Mowing the lawn at 5 a.m.

Noise emitted by an establishment should be audible only to its own clientele

The rogue “r”

Editor;

As somewhat of an addict to John D Blyth’s ‘Down the Iron Road’ may I point out that the Chairman of British Railways who axed the rail networks in Britain in the 60’s was Dr. Richard Beeching, not Breeching who was the subject of last week’s article. Regretfully I missed the first year of this excellent series. Any chance of a re-run?

Yours Sincerely,

Andrew Drummond

Dear Sir,

I am sure that mine will be just one of many hundreds of anguished letters you receive this week concerning John Blyth’s small, but important, errors in his article ‘Era of Dr. Breeching”.

The axe-wielding former ICI boss was, as John must know, Dr. Richard Beeching. During the time of his frhrership of British Railways, the name Beeching was used almost as a curse by railwaymen and the travelling public in the UK.

Secondly, John refers to the Minister of Transport during the Beeching years as Ernest Maples. You omitted an ‘r’ John; the man’s surname was Marples.

I am not qualified to comment on the technical aspects of the John Blyth’s railway articles, but I am sure he is 100% accurate.

Your Faithfully,

Oliver Minto

Editor’s note: The error was mine, not John D. Blyth’s. I take full responsibility for the misspelling. It was obviously a “typo” that I did not catch, and for that my apologies to Mr. Blyth. In an unrelated matter, sadly, John has informed us that he no longer wishes to continue the column. His fans will be sorry to note that this week’s “Down the Iron Road” will be his last. His contributions were much appreciated and we are sad to see him “retire”. Pattaya Mail wishes him the best of luck in his future endeavours.

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Re: Baht bus bum rap

Editor;

John Neilson’s letter (Baht bus bum rap, PM 6/29/01) stated that there are no exceptions to the “rule” that in an auto accident, the person who rear ends another vehicle is always at fault. I can think of two exceptions, both of which I witnessed and both of which involved a baht bus.

The first involved a baht bus that, without warning, swerved violently from the outside lane across to the sidewalk to solicit passengers, leaving traffic behind with no option but to swerve wildly to try to avoid the maniac. Unfortunately, one motorcycle had no place to go and ran into the back of the baht bus. Another car just barely missed the baht bus, and if the motorcycle driver had gone to the inside he would have hit the pedestrians. If he had gone to the outside, he would have surely been run down by the car.

The second incident may be stretching what Mr. Neilson is referring to, but again it involved a motorcycle and the back of a baht bus. In this case, the baht bus screeched to a halt, again to solicit customers. The motorcycle was able to stop in time, but had nowhere to go when the baht bus backed up and ran into the motorcycle.

I don’t know how either of the above accidents were resolved, and I don’t know if either were what the original letter writer had witnessed. I only know that in both cases, the baht bus driver was at fault.

Paul Millard

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Agreeing with T. Crossley

Sir,

One can only agree with T. Crossley (PM 29/6/01). Anyone would think that the people who object to constructive criticism being made are totally happy with their lot. I venture to suggest their preference wouldn’t bear too much scrutiny or arouse too much envy. One must remember, however, that not everyone is suited to ‘community living’. Some people feel so insignificant (usually justifiably) they are only able to feel noticed by making a nuisance of themselves. These are the juvenile-minded sort who seem to come out of the woodwork during Songkran in Pattaya and are jubilant about it lasting for a whole week. I actually wonder if the regional office of TAT wouldn’t do well to promote this period abroad as ideally suited to the mentally challenged. A lot of these seem to come here then anyway but there are certainly many more!

The ‘silly season’ T Crossley referred to continues I see. As a resident of four years I have yet to have sight of this ‘partying’ that goes on after 2 a.m. and that mailbag contributors keep referring to. During my occasional forages at this time I see only the occasional male slouched at bars and who by this time has downed enough drinks to launch into or submit to a groping routine. Partying is of course a relative term and some visitors appear to apply it to sitting in a bar complex with each bar competing to have the ‘bubble-gum music’ track being played heard. Sophisticated taste in music, dress or entertainment, farang-wise anyway, is not to the fore in Pattaya. It does, however, have its fans and of which I am one. That does not mean to say I am blinded by its many faults. There is unfortunately a prevailing attitude in authority here of ‘if it ain’t Thai it ain’t right’ and which even seems to apply to ideas. Contrary to what some would have it be believed Pattaya is not the only place that partying goes on and to compare it as one writer does to Spanish resorts that have the formula off to a T is plain ridiculous. Given that the predominant hair-colour here is grey that is perhaps a good thing anyway. We all know what the majority of farang visitors come to Pattaya for and it certainly isn’t late drinking. A talent for attracting females ‘back home’ is I suggest one that few possess. It does take all sorts though and in any event my understanding of the complaints that have been penned is that they do in fact refer to various Thai establishments and which with impunity set up anywhere they choose to.

Rory

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Mowing the lawn at 5 a.m.

Sir,

I read with interest T. Crossley’s letter last week, and I can quite understand his frustrations with the noise from the adjacent bowling green in the early morning. I hope he can get the situation resolved. But I doubt if this is a personal vendetta against him. It’s always been the practise of Thai’s who are working outdoors to start work at the crack of dawn, so as to get the days work done, and also to get the bulk of it done before its too hot to do much! Just ask any Thai farmer. Mr. Crossley didn’t mention if he had approached the bowling club and asked why they started work so early, but it might be worth a try (take a Thai friend to translate accurately), you never know, he might be surprised. I have found Thai people to be very understanding and helpful on most occasions, particularly if you are polite and civil about it.

But there was one statement in his letter which was rather uncalled for. He stated (referring to those who didn’t share his views) that Pattaya is “the desired destination principally of those whose mentality is incapable of rising above hip-level and who expect others to be limited to the same base, if not non-existent, quality-of-life aspiration”. Mr. Crossley, you don’t know for a fact that those people even fitted into that particular category, so please don’t categorise like that simply because they had a different opinion than you. Everyone is entitled to their opinions (even you!).

But lets not forget one thing. We are all guests in this country...its not our country...we don’t have a say in how its run, that’s up to the Thai people at the polling booths. they, and they alone can make changes happen.

I think you will find that if you complain to any Thai about the short comings of their country, they will agree with you up to a point, but when it gets to the point of constantly going on and on and on (sometimes about things that appear trivial to them) they soon start saying, “Go back home if you don’t like it here” (so its not just the remarks of hip bending falangs on a one week stay). It’s a common view among Thais. I know, because my wife is Thai (I live here - BKK), and I have mentioned some of the letters in Pattaya Mail to her and her friends...thought they might find them humorous. Not so, in fact they were not too pleased, I can tell you. But that’s not unique to Thailand...go to any country in the world and say you are not happy about this and that, you will soon be unpopular with the locals.

So please, Pattaya Mail readers and local residents...try to bear in mind that the Thais themselves don’t like being told how to run their own country. They know there are shortcomings, and improvements could be made, but if we are going to point out those shortcomings, lets try to do it with some friendly advice! But on that note...it would seem that the letters published in the Mail are being noticed, because I see from recent articles in PM that City Hall is attempting to rectify certain problems that everyone agrees need attention (such as zoning). What success they will have remains to be seen, and I think Mr. Crossley summed it up rather nicely when he said that City Hall needs to enforce it’s regulations - is that possible in Thailand?

Regards,

J. MacDonald

Bangkok

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Noise emitted by an establishment should be audible only to its own clientele

Dear Editor,

B. Scott (Issue 27) penned many words to get little across and appeared to miss the point of T. Crossley’s letter; this to my understanding being that some people believe only their own suggestions for improving Pattaya and only their own preferences have merit. Despite his comment about what travel brochures say about Pattaya (who believes them anyway), one only has to read the Pattaya section of the world’s best-selling guidebook to Thailand to understand why many visitors to the country give the resort a miss.

The abject failure of Pattaya to attract the more ‘up-market’ clientele it desires lies in the enforcement ineptitude to which the long-standing motorcycle street-hire situation is a monument, and particularly the ‘tail wags dog’ regulatory situation that exists. Doesn’t the about-face on the initial zoning proposal sum up how much thought City Hall puts into the ideas it has?

Wasn’t the idea to create areas whereby there could be one happy community without one side bitching about the other? A new plan has been put into effect and which so far as I can interpret means that none of the existing problems are solved. Is it any wonder that Pattaya’s city-status is under review?

I am sure there are many in Pattaya who such as I can recall resorts in Majorca and Ibiza going through the transition Pattaya is trying to. After an initial surge, once the novelty wore off ‘noise pollution’ and ‘partying’, both usually of the sort partaken in by those behaving like mad-folk let loose, proved to have a very negative effect and in droves tourists found new destinations.

It was long ago discovered by the travel industry that concentration on late-night revelry attracts a less-than-desirable element and does far more harm to a resort’s reputation than good. That is not to say it should not go on of course. In Spain huge-capacity nightclubs stay open all night but are sited well out of town. Those who wish to have their senses numbed by high decibels are also catered to but by places that need to ensure their sound insulation is adequate.

In the UK, too, an establishment applying for a licence is assessed on its own merit overall, not just where it is sited. The answer to Pattaya’s divisive woes, glaring they are as letters to this column show, lies not in zoning ‘entertainment’ areas, a wide-ranging term which invites complication, but in ensuring that noise emitted by an establishment is audible only to its own clientele.

Opening hours thereafter becomes a non-issue. All common sense one would think but one does have to consider a simple fact of life. ‘Noise’ is not so objectionable to the not so intelligent. City Hall take note! Those farangs who proclaim Pattaya is fine as it is desperately desire there to be no improvement. Inept in social-skills, having empty bars full only of the attendant screeching ‘hostesses’ suits them down to the ground.

Anton

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