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Letter to Pattaya City Council

Language issues with the Pattaya Mail

Mail can make it to Pattaya

Things aren’t always what they seem

2 a.m. closing bad for the economy

Letter to Pattaya City Council

Dear Sirs,

I would like to bring to your attention a dangerous state of affairs happening on Soi 8. On many occasions I have witnessed idiotic farangs using Soi 8 like a racetrack and hurtling along the soi at speeds around 50 mph on high-powered motorcycles.

Soi 8 is a narrow soi catering to a large number of mainly pedestrians whose very lives are put at risk every night by these morons. Imagine the scene if one of these motorcycles were to go out of control on a busy night!

Please, would it be possible, if not to make this busy soi pedestrian during the evenings, then at least to install efficient speed bumps at regular intervals in an attempt to stop these idiots before lives are lost.

Also, I read that all sois between the Beach Road and Second Road are now one way. Does this also apply to Soi 8 and if so, which way is the traffic meant to flow? It is very difficult to tell!

Yours sincerely,

A very concerned resident

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Language issues with the Pattaya Mail

Mr. Editor;

I have recently discovered your website, and I enjoy reading all your articles, news, columns, features and letters of ongoing problems and joys in the fair city of Pattaya, which I used to visit quite a lot in the late eighties and early nineties.

Last Christmas we again visited your town, and we will be back again this Christmas and hopefully in the years to come. We saw a lot of improvements around town, compared to what it looked like some ten to fifteen years ago. My “new” wife, who also has been with me on vacation to Phuket, prefers Pattaya, and we enjoyed our last stay there very much.

We come from Norway, and therefore we do not speak English as our mother tongue, and I suppose a lot of your other readers don’t either.

I therefore have to use a dictionary to find the meaning or translation of a word or phrase if I do not understand it. My English/Norwegian - Norwegian/English dictionary is printed in 1999 and contains 102,000 reference words.

In the preface of the dictionary the author says, amongst other things: “Not least, I consider it important to point out when a word or phrase is on its way out, and to suggest substitutes. For this reason, the dictionary provides a large number of labels indicating style and good up-to-date alternatives. If a term is described as “meget stivt” (very formal) or “stivt” (formal), alternatives are given whenever possible. These are in italics within brackets and preceded by an equation sign.”

I suppose 80 - 90 % of the words or phrases I have to look up are described as “formal” or “very formal”, and in almost every article I have to look up some words, and some words I simply cannot find. Of course one does understand quite a lot through the context, but I like to know the exact meaning of a word, and sometimes the word does not have the meaning I firstly thought.

A native English speaking person may have no problem, but as I mentioned previously, many of your readers are not native English or American. As a very skilled and clever spokesman of the “falang” community of the Eastern Seaboard, both residents and ordinary interested tourists, may I humbly suggest that you change some of the most old-fashioned words and phrases?

We are looking forward to read the paper issues of your paper when we arrive on our vacation early December.

Best regards from

Knut Elvsaas

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Mail can make it to Pattaya

Hi,

Whenever I have something important to send to anyone in Pattaya from the United States, I always use Global Express by the US Post Office. To date, everything I have ever sent has arrived at my friends’ condo in Pattaya, including credit cards.

John Howard

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Things aren't always what they seem

Dear Sir,

I am a Swedish retiree, living in Pattaya since several years. Mostly, I am satisfied about living in this great city. Only occasionally are there some things which disturb me.

I am now going to tell you a story from a popular shopping plaza in South Pattaya. As far as I know, nobody has ever taken up this scam before in any article or letter, perhaps unknowing that it is a scam in the first place!

At the front of the plaza, some deaf guys are hanging around. They are pestering unknowing tourists, saluting them like a soldier and trying to shake their hands. They are also showing some kind of a fake ID-card, representing scouts, welfare or whatever. Mostly, the tourists are not interested, since they don’t want to indulge themselves in these people. But, since these guys seem to be nice, sort of, many tourists actually stop and ask what the guy wants. He immediately starts to shake his head, making a gesture over his mouth, implying that he cannot talk, and in the same moment he takes up a small book. Inside it is stated that he is taking up a collection for welfare reasons, this is translated into many languages. There are also tourists’ signatures, stating what they have donated in the past, for these “welfare reasons”. When the unknowing tourist has given a donation, he will receive a handshake and a great smile from these guys. And sometimes even a pin! Thumbs up and good luck to you, sucker, they might think!

I have studied these guys for several years now, and they have always been around the plaza. I have even talked to the police, but they say that they can’t do anything; the guys have to carry a lot of cash if they are to be arrested. Otherwise, the police cannot do anything! Can you believe this? In my opinion, it only needs just a few officers to spy on these guys for a while, and they will have their proof! I mean, they are doing this business openly, for everybody to look at!

Sometimes I even see one of these deaf guys talking to the regular traffic police officer who is to chase the taxis away parking illegally outside the plaza (another problem!), seemingly to be in good mood both of them.

I am wondering if the owner of the plaza knows what is going on outside his plaza. And do the authorities know about this scam, which has been going on for so many years, with the same deaf guys involved? Are they being protected by someone? Somebody even told me that they have been arrested. I don’t know if this is true, but in this case they have got off the hook, and now it is business as usual.

Sign me,

Observer

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2 a.m. closing bad for the economy

Editor;

Let’s take a hard look at a policy that closes entertainment venues (especially in tourist destinations such as Pattaya and Phuket) at 2 a.m. For this policy to stand up to scrutiny, it has to be reasonably related to the protection of the health and welfare of Thai society. But this is not the only component. To validate this policy, one must also judge what effect it will have on the Thai economy - both present and future.

Issue 1: Will closing entertainment venues at 2 a.m. help control or ultimately eliminate the proliferation of illegal drugs or their use in Thailand by Thai Nationals and/or tourists?

Response: Simply look to the United States or Europe for the answer. It is all too obvious that drug use and abuse is not controlled or stopped by laws. This is a social/cultural problem, especially among the young. The purchase and use of drugs is not limited to entertainment venues nor is it somehow restricted or stopped by an arbitrary closing time. What? People don’t purchase or use drugs before 2 a.m.? Will people stop this prohibited activity after 2 a.m.? The absurdities of these premises are all too apparent. Politicians know this. They’re not stupid. But they have to be seen by their constituencies as doing “something” - even if that “something” is useless and without credibility.

Issue 2: Even assuming, for argument purposes, that the 2 a.m. closing time has some efficacy relative to the health and welfare of Thai nationals, should it also be enforced against tourists?

Response: Social welfare laws should relate to and be implemented for a country’s citizens. I dare say that most Western tourists don’t need Thai politicians telling them when to stop enjoying themselves on their vacation.

Simple solution: During the 1980’s in the Philippines, Filipino nationals could not enter a casino. They were barred (unless accompanied by a person holding a foreign passport) and only tourists could enter. Here’s a perfect example of regulations for the health, safety and welfare targeting the correct people (it’s citizens), and exempting those (foreigners) who have no reason to be regulated. Therefore, to protect Thai nationals, Mr. Purachai can do something similar to the 2-tier pricing schemes we find in Thailand. Just close all the entertainment venues to Thais after 2 a.m. and allow tourists to enjoy their vacations. But obviously this “tongue-in-cheek” suggestion, though practical, would never be considered.

So what is the real issue that makes closing at 2 a.m. a bad policy? The economy. Face it; Thailand needs tourism and the millions of jobs related to it. And tourists don’t have jobs or school to go to tomorrow like the Thais. They are here to have fun! Tourists from Europe and other countries don’t want to be told when to stop having fun on their vacation. So they will go where they are welcome.

Just what do you think will happen if this current approach to the early closing of entertainment venues continues? First, places will go out of business. Why? Because most entertainment venues start late (because customers don’t usually like to go to a nightclub while it is still early in the evening) and need until 5 or 6 in the morning to make the day’s overhead and hopefully make some profit. These may be “fun” places, but they are businesses. They have to pay rent, electric, water, VAT, taxes, liquor bills and, most important, salaries of Thai employees before the owner puts one Satang in his pocket.

Next - the business is closed - the employees are jobless. Get another job in another entertainment venue? Don’t think so, since most are on their last legs. Since there is no social welfare program in Thailand, the government won’t help. The government won’t retrain them, and even if there were a training program, there would be no jobs anyway. This economy has been in a slump for years and isn’t going to get any better for a long, long time, if at all.

What about the money these entertainment employees send home to parents, brothers, sisters, etc.? Now everyone is going to suffer along with his or her jobless daughter or son.

Charles Parker

San Francisco, California

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