An Aussie friend of mine says that to see if the girl sitting on your lap can be believed then you have to apply the British Standard (BS) Duck Test, “If a bird looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck” to all Thai women. Your friend must have really gone down the gurgler to be so bitter. All women are not the same. Thai women are not the same as western ones and bar girls are a different species altogether. He feels that all women are out to rip off mankind and all that is left is 0.01 percent of decent women. How pessimistic is that? I think he should stop feeling sorry for himself and get out and enjoy the company of the ladies in the bars. That’s what they’re there for. You don’t have to buy the library when you want to read a book.
Elwyn from New York
Dear Elwyn from New York,
Despite the 50 percent divorce rate in many countries, including Australia and America, all women are very obviously not the same. I’m not like that for one. Despite the friend’s pessimism, his 0.01 percent still works out as 1,000 women, even in Australia. I agree that if you want a ‘good time’, the good time girls are there to give it to you. The problems always arise when the smitten male forgets that a good time girl is just that - a good time girl. A girl for the good times in life, not a girl who is good for life times. It should also be understood that a beer bar is not an outside office for an accredited match-making and marriage agency. I have said in this column many times that you don’t go into a hardware shop if you are looking to buy a piece of cheese.
You know it is pretty interesting to me to always hear the gents writing in about expectations of feminine fidelity when virtually none of them practice it themselves. I have yet to meet a man who does not cheat even within a happy relationship.
I think there is a difference between “fidelity” and “cheating”. My understanding of these two concepts in Thailand is that “fidelity” is an honest and mental relationship, where “cheating” is clandestine and not open at all and is physical. “Fidelity” is then possible on the surface while “cheating” is below the surface - making it possible to have a happy relationship as you said, while cheating. In the end, if you are in a relationship, keep it honest and don’t lie. Lying is the start of the end of any relationship, as many people have found out.
Robert (letter above) is correct as I, and several of my associates, are in committed relationships and “cheat” as often as we think we can get away with it.
As you can see, I rearranged the letters in your name, so that you can remain anonymous. Now, does your partner, who you cheat on, read the Pattaya Mail? I hope not, as your wicked secret might be uncovered, though my clever rearrangement should keep you safe, but does your partner raise ducks, by the way? Stay away from the duck’s enclosure.
Several months ago I hit you with a curly one dealing with table manners. You came up with the right answer. Now I have a question on the English Language. Somehow I believe we have been taken over by stealth. Being of the older group, I always used the word “Got”. Now when I read a book the word “Gotten” appears over and over. Which is correct? He had got on the bus, or he had gotten on the bus? I suspect one is English and the other American. Hear from you later?
So where’s my bottle of bubbles for having got (gotten) the right answer before? Now you want me to enter your latest quiz as well! However, you are quite correct, my Petal. The Americans, having been English and taken over the English language with the Mayflower and then proceeded to massacre the purity of communication (along with several scores of Red Indians). However if you think “gotten” is bad, how about the song sung by Lauryn Hill which goes:
“You’re just too good to be true.
Can’t take my eyes off of you.”
What is this “off of” may I ask you, this being your turn to answer the questions, until I get my rewards from last time!
Is my girl serious? I have been to Pattaya three times and I have been with the same girl every time. I am 36 and she is 27 and she has been working in the bar for about nine months. She asked me that next time I come to Thailand she wants me to go to her home near Chaiyaphum to meet her family. Is that a sign that she wants to have a serious relationship with me or does she have other motives?
Dear Papa G,
Open your wallet and say after me, “Help yourself!” You have now joined the bar girls retirement benefit fund. So help me! You have been to Pattaya three times and met a lovely young lady of 27 who has only worked in the bar for nine months, and you are wondering is this paragon of virtue (other than the last nine months or so) wants to have a serious relationship with you. Give me strength! You hardly know this woman and she hardly knows you, other than the fact you paid well last time. Is this what you base “serious relationships” on? She has serious designs on your bank account Papa G my unsuspecting Petal, that’s all that is happening here. I suggest that instead of losing your money to the 27 year old (and probably much older if truth ever be known) from Chaiyaphum, you just donate it to your favorite charity, or buy me several cases of French champagne, and then climb back under your rock again
Have Thai people some amazing bladder control or what? There’s no public toilets so what do they do when caught short? I’ve seen adult size pampers in the supermarkets, but I’m damn sure that not everyone has secret underpants. Enlighten me, Hillary.
So it is the lack of public toilets that makes for “amazing” Thailand for you, my Petal? However, I can relieve you of all the mental (or bladder) strain very easily. Just do as the Thai males have done for centuries - look for short time rooms. But think of the plight of us ladies. We are far too polite to go to ST rooms on our own, so we have to be a little bit smarter. With so many hotels everywhere, we just march straight into the foyer, and the toilets are in the far corner on the right. Check it out!
I had always wondered why Thai people don’t trust each other. They will only use “family” as their staff, because I was told that only family would not steal. After spending many years in Thailand, I have begun to see just why Thais don’t trust Thais. Many of the people who write to you, Hillary, complain that their Thai GF or wife is having a relationship behind their back. There’s too many of these for it to be a one-off. Then there is the famous “gik” and every Thai woman has at least one of these friends with extra benefits on the go. They don’t trust each other, because all of them are untrustworthy. The only reason to employ “family” is because the person can lose face very quickly in the family circle, and they can’t escape from that.
Dear Trusting Thomas,
I get the feeling that you are hurting somewhere, Petal. Time fixes everything, even though the time frame may be painful. You are right about the only people Thai people employ are “family”, but remember that “family” has a different meaning in Thai than in the West. Many times it can just mean someone from the same village, or even the same province.
My husband and I have been reading your column for some years, even though we live in Canada these days. You do hand out some very wise advice, so I am hoping you can help me. We are both in our 50’s but feel we need to spice up our relationship after 30 years of marriage. So we are thinking about a holiday in Thailand where we could perhaps explore a little more than we could do at home! We live in a small country community, so confidentiality is of utmost importance. Some suggestions, Hillary?
Lucrezia (obviously not my real name)
Dear Not My Real Name,
Tread very warily, my Petal. That is a minefield you are looking at. Certainly there can be plenty of distractions here, if you look just a little, but are you and your husband ready for something that might change your lives? It is something you both have to discuss honestly and openly before even getting on the plane. Careful, careful, careful.
I have a tip for the guy being ripped off by a Thai woman who has a few foreigners on a string. Choose a woman with different nationality. I tried hard with two different Thai women and lost a lot of money. I am happy now with a South Pacific woman. Wonderful women there. Fly to Fiji, they will take care of you and your happiness. No money required for the family. Be smart and try something different.
Unfortunately, the grass on the other side of the fence is always greener. Relationships are never easy, and some different cultures make relationships even harder. Not many foreigners really understand their Thai partners, and it is probably the same with a Fijian lady, though I don’t know first hand anything about them, Petal.
Why do so many of the guys who write to you want to paint the Thai women in a bad light? These bar girls sacrifice a lot to give their families a better life than they would otherwise have. I wonder if these foreigners are getting what they think is a rip off because they are treating the girl like dirt in the first place. What goes around comes around, as they say.
My own experience is that you can meet some great girls and fall in love with a lady from a bar. You can also be treated like a king and rest easy with the feeling that you have found a long term partner. I have been with my Thai wife for some years and have been incredibly happy, and have never felt that I have been ripped off.
My own experience of a former western wife was that she gave up work once we were married and expected to never have to work again. She took more money from me in a month than my Thai partner has taken in two years and when we split up, she took anything left. I will take my chances with a bar girl any day over a falang lady. With any woman you will have to pay, one way or another. The Thai way is cheaper in the long run, believe me, and all you guys out there, start thinking and stop whining. Start doing the right thing by the women you meet and you will get the rewards double or triple, believe me.
You are quite correct, my Petal, though you have to be a bit careful, in fact very careful, when selecting a girl from the bars as your life’s partner. You have to be sure that you are not being given the political promises. There are good reasons why you should be wary, but I am glad your situation looks as if it is working out for you, even though two years is not a long time.